WASSAP: The Africa-West Asia Podcast

WASSAP: The Africa – West Asia Podcast translates the findings of a three-year research project on West Asian (Gulf)-Sub-Saharan African relations into an accessible, engaging audio format. It explores how economic, political, cultural, religious, and security ties between selected Gulf countries and African partners are evolving and why these shifts matter globally, particularly for Europe.

Hosts of the podcast are Désirée Custers (Project Manager, CARPO) & Hubert Kinkoh (Senior Researcher, CARPO)

The WASSAP podcast is supported by the Robert Bosch Foundation.

WASSAP: The Africa-West Asia Podcast

Latest episodes

Africa and the Gulf in a Multipolar Economy: Trade, Investment, and Strategic Partnerships

Africa and the Gulf in a Multipolar Economy: Trade, Investment, and Strategic Partnerships

24m 4s

In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, hosts Désirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh explore the evolving economic relationship between Africa and the Gulf in the context of an increasingly multipolar world.

They are joined by Aparupa Chakravarti, a strategist working at the intersection of geopolitics, business, development, and social impact across Africa and the Gulf. Drawing on her extensive experience across both regions, Aparupa discusses why Gulf countries have become interesting partners for African states and how their investment approaches differ from those of more traditional external actors.

The conversation also examines emerging sectors of cooperation beyond the commonly discussed...

Special World Cup Episode: Football between Africa and the Gulf

Special World Cup Episode: Football between Africa and the Gulf

38m 50s

In this special World Cup episode of the WASSAP podcast, we explore how football is increasingly shaping relations between Africa and the Gulf, from the expanded 2026 tournament to Saudi Arabia’s hosting ambitions for 2034.

Host Desirée Custers is joined by Hubert Kinkoh and Dr. Sebastian Sons to examine how football has evolved into a field of geopolitical competition, diplomacy, and strategic engagement. The discussion highlights the growing role of Gulf states as key actors in global sports and unpacks how major tournaments and investments are embedded in broader political and economic agendas.

At the same time, the episode considers...

Energy, Ports, and Corridors in Gulf–Africa Relations

Energy, Ports, and Corridors in Gulf–Africa Relations

38m 6s

In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, we explore the role of energy, ports, and infrastructure corridors in shaping Gulf–Africa relations.

Hosts Desirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh are joined by Dr. Maddalena Procopio and Dr. May Darwich, who provide insights into how Gulf states are expanding their economic engagement across Africa through investments in energy, logistics, and port infrastructure.

The discussion examines the structural drivers behind these developments, including shifting global economic dynamics and the strategic repositioning of Gulf actors. It also highlights how African governments engage with and leverage these partnerships to advance national priorities.

Importantly, the episode moves...

Iran and Sub‑Saharan Africa: Relations in Turbulent Times

Iran and Sub‑Saharan Africa: Relations in Turbulent Times

31m 34s

In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, we explore a less frequently discussed dimension of Africa–West Asia relations: Iran’s engagement with the African continent and how African actors navigate their relationships with Iran.

Hosts Désirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh are joined by Ambassador Frederic Gateretse‑Ngoga and Dr. Hamid Talebian, who bring institutional and research perspectives on Iran–Africa relations. Together, they unpack how Iran engages with African countries across diplomatic, economic, security, and cultural domains, and how its approach compares to that of Gulf actors.

The conversation also situates Iran–Africa relations within broader geopolitical and security dynamics, including the interconnections between...